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#101 2015-04-01 13:23:14

fantasma
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Re: 2.0: Joining forces with Flarum

i Hope that Fluxbb not dying like punbb...just now i converted my old punbb to flux sad

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#102 2015-04-01 14:08:57

eric235u
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Re: 2.0: Joining forces with Flarum

All is change.  Nothing remains the same.  There's a few folks using 1.5.8 and I bet that line will continue to get updates.  I'm back to hacking around with PHP and I'm using it.  Our main developers have said they will continue to support it.  All is well.  No need for panic IMHO.

I really look forward to checking out 2.0.  Your effort is much appreciated.

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#103 2015-04-03 22:02:00

Jack
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Re: 2.0: Joining forces with Flarum

Just a naive question: there's a reason why we are saying here that "FluxBB 2.0 IS Flarum" instead of "Flarum IS FluxBB 2.0"? It is obviously not about name, but about priorities (in terms of coding style as well). Just wondering...

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#104 2015-04-04 07:53:04

muli
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Re: 2.0: Joining forces with Flarum

For Flarum - in my opinion - it's also important, that it support a basic way for users with deactivated JS (text based browser, blind people & screenreader, old browsers, slow connections and systems & weak smartphones outside Europe and the US).


Just a sidenote: What I never understand is, why everyone is always talking about "Please make it for mobile phones" and we need a new version, that fits for smartphones....? And why is there only one theme for it, buhuhu... (and Flarum is the solution).

That's still a simple question of simple CSS? It can also be done without any Javascript and so on. Just take a simple, existing style for Fluxbb and extend the CSS-File at the end with @media screen and (max-width: 783px) { 'here your mobile style or adjustments' } and in the header <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1"> and that's it (maybe hide some not necessary stuff)? You can still change the view of the existing Fluxbb-Version and make it fit to mobile devices (also included images, videos, whatever) without touching the main-core or use plugins or a special theme.


*poor english, sorry for mistakes*

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#105 2015-04-04 08:47:57

Gil
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Re: 2.0: Joining forces with Flarum

Jack wrote:

Just a naive question: there's a reason why we are saying here that "FluxBB 2.0 IS Flarum" instead of "Flarum IS FluxBB 2.0"? It is obviously not about name, but about priorities (in terms of coding style as well). Just wondering...

I'm sorry Franz, but I still have the same (pretty bad) feeling; As you said:

Franz wrote:

If you're interested in contributing (code or wise thoughts) to the development of Flarum, head over to the development forum and post away.

It's still possible and something we want to keep in mind - the best place to discuss these issues is probably the Flarum development forum.

If you want to help shape that, please join the development (note: flarum) forum.

Sherlock's conclusion seems to be clear: no place here for fluxbb versions beyond 1.5/1.6 sad (I'm not aggressive, I'm sad).

By the way, is there an answer about?:

gil wrote:

The database structures (of fluxBB and flarum) are pretty different today: what's the road for a single structure?

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#106 2015-04-04 08:53:07

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Re: 2.0: Joining forces with Flarum

Hey Gil, sorry for missing that question.

The database structures are pretty different at this time - since we'll provide an automatic importer, that shouldn't cause any problems, though, right?

Development of v2.0 / Flarum is coordinated in the new development forum, yes - that's only for development of this future version, though. Other initiatives may be started here, though - FluxBB is not forgotten.

P.S.: Expect some pretty good news for next week. I predict this will make some of you quite happy. Until then, happy Easter! smile


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#107 2015-04-04 09:21:01

Gil
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Re: 2.0: Joining forces with Flarum

Franz wrote:

The database structures are pretty different at this time - since we'll provide an automatic importer, that shouldn't cause any problems, though, right?

hmm... excepted that the future database is the flarum database and fluxBB 2.0 code is dead? Donno... Database are really different, I think that the automatic import won't be so easy to develop... and could be risky for large forum bases.

Is it planned to provide a flarum installation without vagrant?

(Edit) Found it, it's not recommended but possible http://discuss.flarum.org/18-alternative-to-vagrant.

Last edited by Gil (2015-04-04 11:47:02)

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#108 2015-04-04 09:26:08

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Re: 2.0: Joining forces with Flarum

Installation of the final version will be possible on any normal webserver. The Vagrant stuff is just for development (and that, too, will likely get simpler next week.)


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#109 2015-04-05 14:39:32

meetdilip
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Re: 2.0: Joining forces with Flarum

Good luck smile

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#110 2015-04-07 09:19:06

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Re: 2.0: Joining forces with Flarum

Good luck Franz. Thanks for everything you have done already and will likely do going forward. Someone has to!

I'll stick with 1.5.7 and soon upgrade to 1.5.8 myself. I'm completely happy with what FluxBB is and how it functions at present. I put a lot of hours in to getting it set up and and running how I want and I find it fulfills all my needs as-is.

I'm deliriously happy with it and very grateful for all the work that went in to it.

Like eric235u said: All is change.

Thankfully, due to your continued commitment, those of us who like FluxBB can still download and install it. smile

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#111 2015-04-11 14:54:58

Lanark
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Re: 2.0: Joining forces with Flarum

chris98 wrote:

I'm quite disappointed about this, I took a look at Flarum and I dislike it. For one, it's far too heavy on JavaScript, and the style isn't very pleasing either - it doesn't look like a forum to me, more of a quick, simple AJAX chat script.

I spent ages trying to find the perfect forum software, when I finally find it, it seems to vanish sad

Thats my first impression too, it looks too much like facebook and the fly-in side menu may be good on a mobile device but is horrible on a desktop.

But I'll see how it develops, I know there are good people behind this and thats more important than the surface details of a particular theme.

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#112 2015-04-21 12:39:51

Visman
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Re: 2.0: Joining forces with Flarum

I understand that version 1.5.9 will not?

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#113 2015-04-21 14:14:54

Franz
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Re: 2.0: Joining forces with Flarum

Visman wrote:

I understand that version 1.5.9 will not?

Huh? Will not what?


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#114 2015-04-21 14:50:23

Visman
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Re: 2.0: Joining forces with Flarum

Google translator does not work? smile
I just see that there is no work on 1.5.9. So this version, we do not see.

P.S. Yes, Google translator works disgusting.

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#115 2015-04-21 16:04:44

Franz
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Re: 2.0: Joining forces with Flarum

It's coming.


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#116 2015-04-21 17:27:41

GWR
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Re: 2.0: Joining forces with Flarum

Franz wrote:

It's coming.

Are you sure? According to my wife "it's coming" ~1st of october... tongue


bye
Ron

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#117 2015-04-22 15:06:49

micbr
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Re: 2.0: Joining forces with Flarum

I had considered moving to Flarum for a couple of discussion forums when it's released. Interesting how FluxBB and Flarum should come together; it certainly makes the transition much easier. smile

Because I run a vintage computer forum, when I showed them our new future upgrade path, they were horrified. They despise the Javascript heavy interface. Several members and even administrators I work with vowed to leave the community if we moved from FluxBB to Flarum.

Perhaps once Flarum is released, I'll be able to find some kind of middle ground that they'll be satisfied with. I certainly hope so at least, because I like what I see so far.


Administrator, ThinkClassic - A vintage computer community.

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#118 2015-05-07 13:45:50

Franz
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Re: 2.0: Joining forces with Flarum

After the work of a couple of weeks (from Toby), we have replaced Ember.js with Mithril which significantly reduces the size of the frontend application, which is obviously a huge speed factor.

I hope this alleviates some of the concerns. smile

More Flarum goodness coming in the next weeks.


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"As code is more often read than written it's really important to write clean code."

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#119 2015-05-07 16:28:15

Abraham
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Re: 2.0: Joining forces with Flarum

So, there is no category ? Just a simple page where all the topics are posted? There is no way to hierarchy the different topics into different categories?

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#120 2015-05-08 09:13:12

Franz
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Re: 2.0: Joining forces with Flarum

Don't make your judgements on an early demo, which, by the way, already has categories.


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"As code is more often read than written it's really important to write clean code."

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#121 2015-05-08 09:22:12

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Re: 2.0: Joining forces with Flarum

I don't really think it makes a massive amount of difference, or at least in my opinion. The fact is that Flarum is still far too reliant on JavaScript which doesn't benefit the forum at any way that couldn't be done without.

And it still looks too much like a social media website with circle avatars, popup user location boxes and Ajax loading, it's much more like Invision Power Board 3.x than a minimal FluxBB.

Last edited by chris98 (2015-05-08 09:26:30)

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#122 2015-05-08 09:47:40

Visman
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Re: 2.0: Joining forces with Flarum

Franz wrote:

Don't make your judgements on an early demo, which, by the way, already has categories.

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#123 2015-05-08 09:50:13

Franz
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Re: 2.0: Joining forces with Flarum

Ctrl+F5. You probably have an old version in your cache.

chris98 wrote:

And it still looks too much like a social media website with circle avatars, popup user location boxes and Ajax loading, it's much more like Invision Power Board 3.x than a minimal FluxBB.

Nothing that a new theme cannot solve.


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"As code is more often read than written it's really important to write clean code."

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#124 2015-05-08 11:12:21

GWR
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Re: 2.0: Joining forces with Flarum

If you rely on "JS", the theme alone cannot handle it.

The views should be capable of rendering content on their own. In other words: you should be able to get the output similar to a classic "fluxbb board".

Surely, decreasing filesize gets rid of one of the stated concerns of the users here on the board but one of our major concerns was the way JS is used. Like Chris stated, "we" want to have board functionality not relying on JS. JS is something which could add convenience, but it shouldn't be there to make the board "work".

So lets hope for powerful "views" (wouldn't call it "theme" as this sounds like "design", maybe we should use a better word for it - frontend tongue).


Glad to see concerns of the users are taken serious (and are worken on).


bye
Ron

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#125 2015-05-08 11:15:13

Visman
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Re: 2.0: Joining forces with Flarum

It does not work in a private mode FireFox! Error in js wink

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