The future of FluxBB

SuperMAG · 2009-01-14 12:14:18

agreed with shedrock, we do need timeline.

another thing too.

will there be new features in 2.0 that weren't there in 1.3. so far i know that 2.0 will have:

1- A complete template system that separates the code from mark-up.
2- Extension system will be examined and may be completely overwritten for bitter performance.

there were few stuff that you people kept for (the old 1.4 idea not 1.2) 1.4, i forgot those features. may be you people can add that too.

Rich Pedley · 2009-01-14 12:19:14

shedrock wrote:

It appears to me that most of you aren't 100% committed to the project any more, except for Smartys who as far as I remembered retired a while back. So, is Smartys back 10%, 30%, 50% which is it? - I do hope he is back btw.

100% committed != 100% time spent on FluxBB - I think you are confusing the issue.

I'm 100% committed to FluxBB, but at the moment am so busy elsewhere I can't delve in anywhere near as much as I would like. But I am finding time to do little bits where I can.

shedrock wrote:

This of course is just my opinion, but I still believe you need a SET date on a release and adhere to it this time.

*sigh* I may be guilty of this myself in the past. But the problem with setting a date is then having to keep to it. Would you rather wait for a finished article or have a totally unstable version just because it has to be released on x date? Or conversely why wait for x date if you have something ready to go sooner?

Roadmap's are just that, they aren't meant to be set in stone and are flexible.

Connor · 2009-01-14 12:24:27

The exact feature list for 2.0 will be discussed later, we can't say right now simply because we haven't decided.

Smartys is not back, he has just been developing the code for 1.4 by himself and is contributing the code rather than releasing it separately.

Your post is completely out of line, in my opinion, shedrock, I fight for this project every day in this forum, if I am not committed then I don't know who is. Do you not see that the entire point of this decision is to make things run more smoothly in future? As for setting dates for release, it simply does not work, we can't guarantee our time, setting dates just causes disappointment when we miss them, which is what we have seen already. What we are opting for is a much more structured roadmap which makes our aims clear and achievable.

SuperMAG · 2009-01-14 12:40:07

ok how about this, first you set the biggest time that is for you to complete it. like 2 years.

after few months if you feel that it much change it to Like 1 year.

after more months change it again.

most of the people just need the maximum time that it can take.

Oldskool · 2009-01-14 12:46:13

SuperMAG wrote:

ok how about this, first you set the biggest time that is for you to complete it. like 2 years.
after few months if you feel that it much change it to Like 1 year.
after more months change it again.
most of the people just need the maximum time that it can take.

What do you think will happen if we tell people it will take 2 years? Another riot will start because of it. Since this project is being run on a voluntary basis, we can not guarantee any dates. As far as I know, the team we have now is very motivated and dedicated to the project and we'll do our best to have stuff back on track again as soon as possible. But we want to do it right, not fast because our community demands deadlines, that won't work. Nobody will benefit from such a way of working.

shedrock · 2009-01-14 13:20:53

No Connor, I am not out of line here. What I have stated is what a lot of the members are feeling towards the project at the moment. If I am out of line, then the majority of the community is as well. I am not here to blast you guys. I do know the dedication in the past, but sorry, I have not seen this in the last few months judging from the activity in the forum. You can't expect to lay low for so long and then boom! you all are back ready and committed, after the community's frustration is at its peak. It doesn't work that way.

You cannot expect people to jump when you say jump, and this is essentially what you all are doing. In other words, we'll release it whenever we want and you all have to deal with that. This is my assumption based on numerous posts in this forum, so forgive me if my opinion does not seem very supportive at the moment. This is a community, and the very meaning of the word has not been a reflection of what I've seen in recent months.

Look, I am 100% behind Flux and have been since its conception. All I am trying to say is that members are frustrated and the PR on the site does not reflect anything that makes you jump up and say "wow!, these guys are really committed". With all that being said, I still think you guys are great and I look forward to the next release.

Cheers!
Shedrock

Connor · 2009-01-14 13:24:55

shedrock wrote:

You cannot expect people to jump when you say jump

My point exactly.

Ledo · 2009-01-14 13:40:46

There is some activity lately in Trac area. Developers have taken quite some time to discuss different option what the future will be and decided upon them. So things have started moving. If i am correct evan some new developers join the team.

I think there is no need for frustration any more. And topic like these where the same things are discussed over and over again.

Focus on the future of FluxBB now when the future has been set. Not the past any more.

Timeline? Once the "wheels are in motion again" i think timeline will be as short as possible. So no need in putting pressure on these area for now i think. Developers just started again so don't pressure too much the "wheel" that is starting to turn again because you can just as easy stop it again if non realistic ideas are enforced again.

SuperMAG · 2009-01-14 15:03:22

Oldskool wrote:

What do you think will happen if we tell people it will take 2 years? Another riot will start because of it. Since this project is being run on a voluntary basis, we can not guarantee any dates. As far as I know, the team we have now is very motivated and dedicated to the project and we'll do our best to have stuff back on track again as soon as possible. But we want to do it right, not fast because our community demands deadlines, that won't work. Nobody will benefit from such a way of working.

alright alright, no biggie. just post weekly or per two weeks updates on what you people done or even monthly.

Rich Pedley · 2009-01-14 16:31:19

or even better keep an eye on Trac yourself - and the svn repositries.

(yes I know its not exactly what you want).

Having been involved with regular public updates in the past I'll tell you now that although they are a good idea - they rarely work long term.

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SuperMAG · 2009-01-14 19:47:57

actually i always check the trac place, but recently there are alot of developers doing alot of stuff, i cant understand. what are you people developing. i mean i thought there was no work in 1.3. and every one needed for markup css to be finished.

Dave · 2009-01-14 19:59:01

We're taking care of existing bugs that have been reported for the most part.

orlandu63 · 2009-01-14 21:45:59

So what exactly will be changed in 1.4

Franz · 2009-01-15 09:53:36

The main feature will be UTF-8 encoding.

Smartys is working again. Ask him. Maybe he can post a complete list.

gerhard · 2009-01-15 11:03:51

Smartys is working again.

Great! Really appreciate the new drive in the (development) team. Looking forward to a new exciting release.

MattF · 2009-01-15 11:37:18

gerhard wrote:

Smartys is working again.
Great!

Temporary situation, merely to get 1.4 out, I believe.

Smartys · 2009-01-15 13:47:35

Correct, I'm not rejoining FluxBB

Gil · 2009-01-15 17:55:29

Hum, and what about an upgrade on search page with fulltext indiexing in 1.4?

Connor · 2009-01-15 18:56:43

1.3 didn't have fulltext, and neither will 1.4, it may include some of the search indexing improvements in 1.3

Franz · 2009-01-15 19:22:12

MattF wrote:

gerhard wrote:
Smartys is working again.
Great!
Temporary situation, merely to get 1.4 out, I believe.

Sorry. That's what I meant.

Gil · 2009-01-15 21:28:34

Connor wrote:

1.3 didn't have fulltext, and neither will 1.4, it may include some of the search indexing improvements in 1.3

Sad. Hu, and in 1.5? Why not trying to improve it? (the old extension)

Connor · 2009-01-15 21:45:28

Fulltext isn't the best for everyone, and only works on mysql (and possibly postgresql).

Mindflyer · 2009-01-17 12:35:14

Good plan, but what about the internationalization of the admin panel for 1.4?

Connor, I've sent you an email

Smartys · 2009-01-17 12:44:03

Not going to happen, since that would require major rewrites of code.

MattF · 2009-01-17 15:36:15

There's no reason for it not to be done later, (after your updates), however, by one of the Devs or the team.

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