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#26 2008-09-16 14:17:21

Connor
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Re: International support

Paul wrote:

I couldn't quite see the point of cloning the static pages. Wouldn't it make more sense to put the content of the site in langauge files and then use a langauge switcher (as lie2815 seems to be suggesting). It also makes it significantly easier to maintain the site.

Well yes, that was how I was planning on doing it (so they would get updated when we make a release and such), just also give each local site its own subdomain to link to.

Paul wrote:

As a side note, I'm not that thrilled about being legally responsbile for content I don't understand.

I really don't know how that works, can we not put some kind of disclaimer?

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#27 2008-09-16 14:40:47

Paul
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Re: International support

You are liable for whatever the law says you are liable for. Generally speaking disclaimers are worthless. Their main purpose is to baffle or frighten the ignorant.

However, in reality there is probably not much of a risk. The important thing is to publicise a mechanism for making a complaint and then acting on any complaints made.


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#28 2008-09-16 14:45:06

Connor
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Re: International support

Paul wrote:

However, in reality there is probably not much of a risk. The important thing is to publicise a mechanism for making a complaint and then acting on any complaints made.

Maybe an annoucement type box displayed on each of the localised forums, saying something like "This is not an official support forum, go to http://fluxbb.org/forums/ for official support in english only. If you need to make a complaint about the content of this forum email complaints at fluxbb.org" (obviously translated into the applicable language)

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#29 2008-09-16 15:26:14

Paul
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Re: International support

That would probably do it. In fact, I think it is good practice for every website that includes user contributed content to have an obvious way of complaining to the people in charge.


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#30 2008-09-16 16:01:01

horus
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Re: International support

Report function that is in any post isn't already a sort of a complain to the people in charge?

An example of a forum with official and localized forum can be cmsms forums, they provide these descriptions for english categories:

cmsms wrote:

-  Official Boards
Boards moderated by the CMSMS devs. Please keep it on-topic. Anything off topic may be moved or deleted.

cmsms wrote:

Community Boards
Boards for the CMSMS user community at large. These will most likely not be read by the devs.

and for localized forums

cmsms wrote:

International Discussions

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#31 2008-09-16 17:25:54

Franz
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Re: International support

Paul wrote:

That would probably do it. In fact, I think it is good practice for every website that includes user contributed content to have an obvious way of complaining to the people in charge.

Agreed.

At least for me: I would be happy to help supporting FluxBB that way or another, but I'm almost sure there can be something useful for the other-language moderators which they would be happy enough about to be worth to be trusted (omg what a sentence... hope you understand).


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#32 2008-09-17 08:03:40

Christian
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Re: International support

If you choose option 4, which freedoms do you plan to give to the moderators then?

Let's say Max becomes a moderator, will he be able to install extensions, which he thinks might be useful for the local community?

Who prevents Max from being sued by a court, if one of the local users doesn't comply to the country's laws?

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#33 2008-09-17 09:49:19

liquidat0r
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Re: International support

Christian wrote:

Let's say Max becomes a moderator, will he be able to install extensions, which he thinks might be useful for the local community?

As I understand it, they will be moderators. Not administrators.

Christian wrote:

Who prevents Max from being sued by a court, if one of the local users doesn't comply to the country's laws?

The owner(s) of the site is/are responsible, not Max the moderator.

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#34 2008-09-17 13:12:10

Franz
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Re: International support

liquidat0r wrote:
Christian wrote:

Let's say Max becomes a moderator, will he be able to install extensions, which he thinks might be useful for the local community?

As I understand it, they will be moderators. Not administrators.

They need to have some administrator rights, don't they?


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#35 2008-09-17 13:27:48

Felix
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Re: International support

lie2815 wrote:
liquidat0r wrote:
Christian wrote:

Let's say Max becomes a moderator, will he be able to install extensions, which he thinks might be useful for the local community?

As I understand it, they will be moderators. Not administrators.

They need to have some administrator rights, don't they?


What for?

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#36 2008-09-18 01:50:22

Connor
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Re: International support

I think the best way to deal with that is to make them moderators, then create a hidden forum here for them to talk to the devs through, so if they require any admin settings changing they will be able to ask us.

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#37 2008-09-18 14:30:39

Strofanto
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Re: International support

Out of curiosity, when is this gonna happen? before or after the final v1.3?

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#38 2008-09-18 16:35:37

Connor
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Re: International support

Strofanto wrote:

Out of curiosity, when is this gonna happen? before or after the final v1.3?

Before I think, some time after beta 3 is released.

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#39 2008-10-11 17:41:23

Meow
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Re: International support

Will they allow those admins uploading other pages about supporting?

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#40 2008-10-11 19:09:52

Connor
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Re: International support

What do you mean? There won't be admins of the international sites, just moderators of the forums.

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#41 2008-10-12 05:28:16

Meow
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Re: International support

Will there be only international forums? If there are, there will be other problems to users who cannot read English texts.

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#42 2008-10-12 07:18:25

Strofanto
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Re: International support

They will be the official internation forums, as far as I've understood, but anyone can run an external site for international support.

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#43 2008-10-12 09:51:09

Meow
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Re: International support

But I'm not rich to buy the fluxbb.tw.

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#44 2008-10-12 10:50:49

Felix
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Re: International support

I don't think that it is necessary to buy all FluxBB domains.

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#45 2008-10-12 11:10:30

Connor
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Re: International support

The other pages (about, downloads, etc) will be translated on the international pages, but they won't be editable by the moderators, just translated.

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#46 2008-10-12 11:29:52

Meow
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Re: International support

If there is the TW site in the future, will links of it be like those?

Home - tw.fluxbb.org
About - tw.fluxbb.org/about/
Downloads - tw.fluxbb.org/downloads/
Forum - tw.fluxbb.org/forums/

Last edited by Meow (2008-10-12 11:33:52)

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#47 2008-10-12 12:08:06

Connor
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Re: International support

Yes

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#48 2008-10-12 12:42:55

Meow
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Re: International support

So, after Beta 3 being released, will I be able to have the TW one? What requirement should I have?

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#49 2008-10-12 12:59:22

Connor
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Re: International support

No one gets to have the subdomains, once we are ready we will let people submit translations for the pages, and make people moderators of some of the forums.

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#50 2008-10-12 15:28:25

Meow
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Re: International support

Won't there be any admin in xx.fluxbb.org/forums/?

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