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#1 2013-02-23 06:17:14

iatkrox
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Dose PHP language is hardto learn >?

Hello guys,

is dose php language is hard to learn ?? if not how do i become a good php developer ?


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#2 2013-02-23 12:55:54

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Re: Dose PHP language is hardto learn >?

It depends. Have you already done programming in any other language? Do you know how to write HTML?


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#3 2013-02-23 15:27:10

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Re: Dose PHP language is hardto learn >?

Franz wrote:

It depends. Have you already done programming in any other language? Do you know how to write HTML?

Unfortunately i don't have any experience on any other languages sad  Yeah i know HTML!

Bro dose it's hard to be an a php developer or an a expert ?

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#4 2013-02-23 16:36:32

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Re: Dose PHP language is hardto learn >?

Well, this is not the same for everyone. It's easy to get the basics.


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#5 2013-02-23 16:52:07

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Re: Dose PHP language is hardto learn >?

Programming can be complicated, but maybe you grasp the concepts very easily. When you install FluxBB mods, do you understand what the changes are supposed to do? That's how I started learning PHP, back in the day wink

Other than that, there are countless tutorials on the internet - PHP is liked for its ease of learning for a reason. Maybe somebody who has actually used it can recommend one?

Also, PHP.net is always a good resource with its extensive documentation.

What I recommend, whichever way you go, is that you should try out what you learn in some example application that you build.


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#6 2013-02-23 18:17:32

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Re: Dose PHP language is hardto learn >?

Franz wrote:

Programming can be complicated, but maybe you grasp the concepts very easily. When you install FluxBB mods, do you understand what the changes are supposed to do? That's how I started learning PHP, back in the day wink

Other than that, there are countless tutorials on the internet - PHP is liked for its ease of learning for a reason. Maybe somebody who has actually used it can recommend one?

Also, PHP.net is always a good resource with its extensive documentation.

What I recommend, whichever way you go, is that you should try out what you learn in some example application that you build.

Ow, yeah, that's also a good tip: read the source code of programmes (like FluxBB) and just try to understand them. I learned PHP with reading the source code of WordPress and following a lot of tutorials.


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#7 2013-02-24 15:00:35

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Re: Dose PHP language is hardto learn >?

Grate and thanks a lot for both of you guys smile  wink

another thing that i need to know about your php experience!
Dose you guys followed any php classes/ courses or just self study ?
(If you guys know the best places to learn php online, Please be kind for share them here)

I think you guys are the best to provide an a answer for this smile

Regards.

Last edited by iatkrox (2013-02-24 15:02:10)


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#8 2013-02-24 15:02:51

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Re: Dose PHP language is hardto learn >?

After learning the basics from looking at source code, I bought a PHP & MySQL book at some point.


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#9 2013-02-24 15:31:11

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Re: Dose PHP language is hardto learn >?

Franz wrote:

After learning the basics from looking at source code, I bought a PHP & MySQL book at some point.

Me too. smile


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#10 2013-02-24 16:09:49

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Re: Dose PHP language is hardto learn >?

I personally went down the route of modify and hacking large scale projects and converting them into other things. I did a bit of this with FluxBB, MediaWiki and the Chromium project. Thought I initially learnt PHP through reading the php.net documentation.

Note: The chromium project is not php, it is something I messed around its to develop my knowledge of other languages.


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#11 2013-02-24 16:35:58

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Re: Dose PHP language is hardto learn >?

Hi,

I started my first steps with PHP in 2004, at age 60. My reference is the site "php.net" whose documentation is detailed, which does no harm, in my native language, but if in doubt, I refer to the English. There are many examples and comments.

But I would say do not take me as a reference because I "fell" into the computer languages in 1973.
I first used the program "with switches" on a computer HP2100A. Then, machine languages 6502, 6809, 8086, Basic, Fortran. A bit of Pascal and C language
On automatic test systems (ATEC [Automatic Test Equipment Complex]) programming in ATOL and ATLAS.
This is where I got my nickname "Otomatic." It is the juxtaposition of the trigram OTO stands for my name OtTellO and  "matic" which gives a homophone of "automatic".


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#12 2013-02-25 02:47:57

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Re: Dose PHP language is hardto learn >?

Franz wrote:

After learning the basics from looking at source code, I bought a PHP & MySQL book at some point.

If you don't mind could you share the books at here ?  smile

Otomatic wrote:

I started my first steps with PHP in 2004, at age 60. My reference is the site "php.net"

Awesome,and thanks a lot for the reply smile you got a lot's of experiences in programming smile thanks for sahe them with here.

JohnLewis wrote:

After learning the basics from looking at source code, I bought a PHP & MySQL book at some point.

Thanks a lot bro wink I will try to hack some sites in future wink



Guys finally i need to know that how long it would be take to be an a PHP expert ? please get examples from your self's.

Regards.

Last edited by iatkrox (2013-02-25 02:48:51)


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#13 2013-02-25 06:05:24

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Re: Dose PHP language is hardto learn >?

Uhm, 3 years? I don't know, actually...


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#14 2013-02-25 07:00:06

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Re: Dose PHP language is hardto learn >?

Studio384 wrote:

Uhm, 3 years? I don't know, actually...

OMG,. yikes how many year's are you in this filed ?


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#15 2013-02-25 09:23:56

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Re: Dose PHP language is hardto learn >?

Do German books help you? tongue


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#16 2013-02-25 10:29:47

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Re: Dose PHP language is hardto learn >?

Franz wrote:

Do German books help you? tongue

Yeah, why not smile ( Just Kidding ya.. smile )


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#17 2013-02-25 14:30:50

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Re: Dose PHP language is hardto learn >?

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/PHP   wiki = free book
I am doing pulls into German, you want some?


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#18 2013-02-25 15:56:12

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Re: Dose PHP language is hardto learn >?

iatkrox wrote:
Studio384 wrote:

Uhm, 3 years? I don't know, actually...

OMG,. yikes how many year's are you in this filed ?

5 years... smile


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#19 2013-02-25 17:04:08

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Re: Dose PHP language is hardto learn >?

123 wrote:

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/PHP   wiki = free book
I am doing pulls into German, you want some?

Wait, you speak German? That would have made some things much easier wink


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#20 2013-02-25 19:09:52

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Re: Dose PHP language is hardto learn >?

Theoretically yes, practically useless to me, but in theory, yes.


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#21 2013-05-09 19:16:36

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Re: Dose PHP language is hardto learn >?

It's almost 2 month's that I've posted this thread! Anyway it's not too hard to learn php+css !! thank you all !!

Special thank goes to "Franz"(Lead Developer)

Last edited by iatkrox (2013-05-09 19:18:29)


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#22 2013-05-27 02:39:47

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Re: Dose PHP language is hardto learn >?

According to my experience, its better to start off with some beginners book on php-mysql. Once comfortable with the basics, read source code of some open-source projects, beginning with simple projects and then complicated ones.

And, one more thing; don't ever give up! Being a pro or even semi pro takes time. So, stay patient and keep hitting! I've been doing this for past three years; and yet looking at FluxBB core, I am like, "oh my god!!"

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#23 2013-07-11 09:18:46

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Re: Dose PHP language is hardto learn >?

iatkrox wrote:

It's almost 2 month's that I've posted this thread! Anyway it's not too hard to learn php+css !! thank you all !!

There's a big difference between learning the basics and learning well, however. Keep at it, as it is a worthwhile pursuit, but you will spend a lot more time learning before you reach a decent level of coding. Just always make sure to make security a priority in your learning. There's enough crap code out there already, (and I'm quite sure there isn't a single coder here who isn't responsible for at least a minute portion of it, at some point in the past big_smile), to dissuade from adding any more to it.

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#24 2013-07-11 17:18:37

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