Forking out 1.3 branch?

sagar · 2009-12-17 12:38:28

Okay, I hope this is okay to ask here and Lie won't mind it. I was just testing 1.3 legacy and found is quite powerful system as such in terms of expandability and management if few issues are taken care of.

So my questions is there a way to keep 1.3 branch alive may be as a legacy fork or forking out latest punbb (informer) version ?

Franz · 2009-12-17 12:44:19

Why would I mind? This project is GPL and you're free to take the code and do with it whatever you wish (ok, not completely true).

If you like v1.3, feel free to make it better...

qie · 2009-12-17 13:28:45

LOL . cool
i like 1.3's theme; it's morden one than 1.2

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sagar · 2009-12-17 15:01:05

thanks, I would like to see if there is going to be minimum interest, to start it off

Smartys · 2009-12-17 15:30:13

Isn't that exactly what PunBB 1.3 is doing?

sagar · 2009-12-17 15:44:40

Yes but its backed by informer with some or the other commercial interests involved. And I believe that was the precise reason fluxbb was formed an year ago

Smartys wrote:

Isn't that exactly what PunBB 1.3 is doing?

Smartys · 2009-12-17 16:06:37

Yeah, I was just suggesting that grabbing code from there would probably be a better place to start.

sagar · 2009-12-17 17:06:16

Thanks Smarty and my apologies I took it bit wrong. that's what I am thinking too

qie · 2009-12-17 18:46:42

sagar wrote:

Yes but its backed by informer with some or the other commercial interests involved. And I believe that was the precise reason fluxbb was formed an year ago
Smartys wrote:
Isn't that exactly what PunBB 1.3 is doing?

Hey Punbb is always released under GPL:

Copyright and disclaimer
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This package and its contents are (C) 2002-2009 PunBB, all rights reserved.
Partially based on code (C) 2008-2009 FluxBB.org.
PunBB is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
PunBB is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU General Public License for more details.
You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307 USA.
Good luck.

I don't think holding by a commercial company make it any difference in using

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Smartys · 2009-12-17 20:28:30

Not to use, but to contribute to and develop.

SuperMAG · 2009-12-19 12:23:12

ok, i can say now, that forking the pun to flux only destroyed both projects. nothing else.

it has been almost a year or more (not remember), and i visit both sites in around 3-4 months, and only see that nothing happened.

all informer did was change the domain, and nothing else. if you both groups were still there working together, there would already be 2.0 with bunch of plugins and styles with support.

Smartys · 2009-12-19 16:33:56

SuperMAG wrote:

if you both groups were still there working together, there would already be 2.0 with bunch of plugins and styles with support.

Yes, because if two groups with entirely opposing views on how to develop a piece of software work together, the result can't help but be awesome!

So yeah, more likely it would have ended with the departure of all the open source developers involved, which would have meant no FluxBB.

FSX · 2009-12-19 16:53:14

SuperMAG wrote:

ok, i can say now, that forking the pun to flux only destroyed both projects. nothing else.
it has been almost a year or more (not remember), and i visit both sites in around 3-4 months, and only see that nothing happened.
all informer did was change the domain, and nothing else. if you both groups were still there working together, there would already be 2.0 with bunch of plugins and styles with support.

Staying together wouldn't have worked. The developers didn't only form the project because of the domain change. And the PunBB team only works on the extensions instead of their forums software last time I looked at their Trac timeline.

We, mostly lie2815 and Reines, are working on the new website. Which also takes up a lot of time.

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Paul · 2009-12-19 17:50:53

SuperMag: that was never a possibility. The alternatives were a fork or quit completely.

SuperMAG · 2009-12-19 20:09:48

why, i mean if u guys just discussed this with them in long discussion, i am sure they would have agreed with what u guys wanted.

There are only few people there who write extensions or develop core. its the same here. the more people involved in a project, the more sucsessful it is. look at wordpress.

if some of them are making mistakes in coding etc, you guys can just guide them in the right way. no one make mistakes for fun.

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btw, did u guys even started on 2.0.

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Franz · 2009-12-19 20:20:37

Hey, not even (haha, not that I'm special) I as a developer know what else was going on behind the scenes then. And honestly, it's probably better this way. All I know is that there was more than just the subdomain thingy that lead the developers to this decision. I cannot imagine that they just said "Hey, I don't like this, let's fork." I'm sure there was honest and serious discussion and the decision to fork was made after a lot of discussion and heavy thoughts, too. And that makes me think that there was no way to agree and find back together again.

Please let us not open this again. It is over and done, and too late to be taken back - and I don't really see a reason to regret it when I look at PunBB right now.

FSX · 2009-12-19 20:30:25

SuperMAG wrote:

btw, did u guys even started on 2.0.

No, we're too busy with 1.4, the website (with mod repo, wiki and other cool stuff) and Reines is working on a converter tool.

And I think if PunBB wasn't forked and all the developers worked together, 2.0 would not be finished by now. Such a rewrite needs a lot of thinking, planning and designing so it doesn't end up like 1.3. We need to think about the whole thing and design it before we even write the code (tests not included).

MattF · 2009-12-19 22:25:15

SuperMAG wrote:

why, i mean if u guys just discussed this with them in long discussion, i am sure they would have agreed with what u guys wanted.
There are only few people there who write extensions or develop core. its the same here. the more people involved in a project, the more sucsessful it is. look at wordpress.
if some of them are making mistakes in coding etc, you guys can just guide them in the right way. no one make mistakes for fun.

Well, bugger me, I bet the Dev's never thought of that. Honestly, these Dev's. Impetuous Prima Donna's or what.

sagar · 2009-12-20 04:38:31

wow lot of discussion indeed

My only gripe for fluxbb is lack of any real progress since it got forked out from pun. I just hope the current team gets things back on track ASAP

SuperMAG · 2009-12-20 11:15:48

Well i dont know what happened behind the scenes, but i am sure u can convince someone by showing him facts on what is a better system. it all needed a little showing of skills etc for them to agree with what u guys want.

well nothing can be done now, since all stuff already happened, its my foult i brought old thing.

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FSX, i though that flux 1.4 was just a small updates. i never though u guys would make all these stuff for it. there is still punres.org . It would take alot of time to dublicate old mods or create new one. let alone styles. and besides there are alot of people using 1.3 instead of 1.4 for that modding reason.

Why not just began with 2.0 already. You guys can do the planning and thinking thing, which will put a plan.
and then any one who has time, can contribute with that plan as much as he can.
Or it will never happen.

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Franz · 2009-12-20 11:37:00

SuperMAG wrote:

and then any one who has time, can contribute with that plan as much as he can.

Do you really think so? More than a month ago, I asked for help with creating the new user guide. Since then, not a single thing has been done there, which led us to start doing this ourselves on the new server.

SuperMAG · 2009-12-20 12:47:30

Do you really think so? More than a month ago, I asked for help with creating the new user guide. Since then, not a single thing has been done there, which led us to start doing this ourselves on the new server.

Lol, there are many reasons it not one contributed, like some of them don't know how to use wiki, some of them dont know how to explain in tutorials and some of them will think its just waste of time. There is just lack of desire on doing very rarely useful thing.

I am sure people will contribute more in a big project instead of writing guides for few dum people lol. and besides these things are done after the code is fully written. and the community is settled. you guys should do step at a time.

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For Example First move. Lets gather all the developers in a next weekend, or when every one is free. Send emails, sms or what ever to make them to come to that meeting.

OR

Make a topic right in this forums, discussing opening steps for 2.0 version. What didnt worked in 1.3 and what needs to be completely rewriten. as i remember, it was extension system, and seperate template system. dont remember other stuff. (With all Developers).

You guys will also get help from other users who still are obsessed with flux,pun lol, like that smartass and mfffffff or matttfff, ops sorry, i mean smarty lol. i am sure he is still following every topic cuz, the only reason to me he retired from this project was to not write codes.

btw, how about plugin system like wordpress, instead of xml, u guys use php. i am not much of a coder, but alot of people perfer that.

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FSX · 2009-12-20 12:47:55

SuperMAG wrote:

FSX, i though that flux 1.4 was just a small updates. i never though u guys would make all these stuff for it. there is still punres.org . It would take alot of time to dublicate old mods or create new one. let alone styles. and besides there are alot of people using 1.3 instead of 1.4 for that modding reason.

Punres.org is a bit inactive and most mods are outdated and unmaintained. Only Koos is very active at the moment. And we are not planning to move all the mods to our repository.

1.3 is not supported anymore. Using it is at your own risk.

SuperMAG wrote:

Why not just began with 2.0 already. You guys can do the planning and thinking thing, which will put a plan.
and then any one who has time, can contribute with that plan as much as he can.
Or it will never happen.

You're talking about contributing. Do you do that too? It's not a must, but if you're talking about such stuff I expect you do it too. That's just my view on it though.

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SuperMAG · 2009-12-20 12:52:16

well i am still not master of english, so i didnt know what word to use.

but any one who want to have developer name beside his username SHOULD have desire to contribute in this project.

Means if he does do work this week, he should do in other unless he has serious problems. or very very busy.

its not like forcing people to work in it, its more like contributing.

and how much developers are here anyway, 5-10, those are more then enough if each of them write 10 lines of codes in a day.

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EDIT: ops lol, i didnt readed ur post carefully. anyway, i am not a coder, but i can help to make this project going, or give ideas on what ever i know.

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Franz · 2009-12-20 13:03:21

SuperMAG wrote:

Lol, there are many reasons it not one contributed, like some of them don't know how to use wiki, some of them dont know how to explain in tutorials and some of them will think its just waste of time. There is just lack of desire on doing very rarely useful thing.
I am sure people will contribute more in a big project instead of writing guides for few dum people lol. and besides these things are done after the code is fully written. and the community is settled. you guys should do step at a time.
-----------
For Example First move. Lets gather all the developers in a next weekend, or when every one is free. Send emails, sms or what ever to make them to come to that meeting.
OR
Make a topic right in this forums, discussing opening steps for 2.0 version. What didnt worked in 1.3 and what needs to be completely rewriten. as i remember, it was extension system, and seperate template system. dont remember other stuff. (With all Developers).
You guys will also get help from other users who still are obsessed with flux,pun lol, like that smartass and mfffffff or matttfff, ops sorry, i mean smarty lol. i am sure he is still following every topic cuz, the only reason to me he retired from this project was to not write codes.
btw, how about plugin system like wordpress, instead of xml, u guys use php. i am not much of a coder, but alot of people perfer that.

Wow, you are not going to make yourself friends with that kind of post.

So, you think a user guide is a "very rarely useful thing"? Would you say the same if you were not used to using FluxBB and would not have used it for a long time now? What about people who have never used a forum and go use FluxBB? I'm sure you know a lot of people who are, what's it called?, not very tech-savvy? Are they really "dum people"? I don't think so and in my eyes useful documentation is just as important as the actual software. I don't care if contributors are pros in writing tutorials. But you guys are the users - you have experience and know how to handle the daily problems or tasks with FluxBB. It may even better that way, because this will cause them to write in an easier understandable way, because they know what's important to understand.

"when every one is free"? In theory, we have about 10 team members. That alone makes it rather hard to "meet" (even on IRC or some other form of communication). Every single one of us have other schedules. Some of us work, go to school. Christmas is coming up. While that may mean that we have more free time, at the same time we want to spend it with family members or on vacation.
Another important aspect is that of those 10 team members not all are very active. Obviously it's a question of competencies, interests and time here, too.
Again: it's not as easy as you seem to think... (Granted, I thought it was easier before I was developer, too, but that's how it is.)

"the only reason to me he [Smartys] retired from this project was to not write codes." Yeah, right. Simply put: you are wrong. It's his choice to detail why, but you should know and remember that he was the most active developer - didn't look like he was too tired to write any code to me... Hint: just read his topic stating that and why he left.

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