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#76 2008-07-09 14:51:57
- MattF
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Re: Tables or not
By structure he meant how things relate to each other, for example which parts should be grouped together (div), are headings (h*), which are to be emphasised (em) etc. How they should be physically positioned and how they look should be left to the CSS.
Structure in the context of a web page means the semantic structure of the document not the visual structure of the finished page.
Cheers. I misinterpreted what he meant there. 
Some people may prefer using tables when designing as it is no doubt easier, and the argument that the end result looks the same can be made, which is fair enough. The point however is that semantically tables should only be used for tabular data, so semantically it is incorrect to use tables for layouts. The debate then boils down to, do people care if it is semantically correct or not, some will say yes, some will say no.
I find this argument by most on here amusing to a degree, though. The correctness of tableless is being vehemently voiced, (and I'm not saying it isn't, btw), but ten to one if you run a validator check, 50% plus of their pages will not validate. Hypocritical might spring to mind when correctness is being used as the measuring stick. Weird.
They'll argue the point all day over tables not being correct and against the grain, but find it quite acceptable to throw invalid (x)html on a site.
Anyhows, I know I've buggered my resolution not to post on this topic again, so I'll stop trolling. 
Screw the chavs and God save the Queen!
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#77 2008-07-09 14:58:50
- Reines
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Re: Tables or not
They'll argue the point all day over tables not being correct and against the grain, but find it quite acceptable to throw invalid (x)html on a site.
I'd agree there, if you're going to have invalid markup then complain about people using tables for layout then that is a bit odd. That doesn't apply here though since FluxBB is valid xhtml.
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#78 2008-07-09 16:42:38
- DavidONE
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Re: Tables or not
Just because table free layouts are the 'in thing' at the moment ...
If by "at the moment" you mean the last 8 years, you'd be correct - but you don't, so you're not.
Try reading pretty much every article published by ALA over the last 8 years. I have. It was very enlightening. Also, glancing at my book shelf, I'd recommend:
* User-Centred Web Design / Cato
* Eric Meyer on CSS
* Taking Your Talent to the Web / Zeldman
Once you've read all that, your opinion on web design will be <strike>a little better</strike> informed.
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#79 2008-07-09 17:07:01
- MattF
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Re: Tables or not
Once you've read all that, your opinion on web design will be <strike>a little better</strike> informed.
Even if I read all of those, your opinion would still mean piss all in my book.
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#80 2008-07-09 17:26:28
- Paul
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Re: Tables or not
I think I have enough feedback for now. Since I will implement both for the beta I can get more feedback later. I will now close this topic before it becomes a pistols at dawn affair.
The only thing worse than finding a bug is knowing I created it in the first place.
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