Very confused about FluxBB and PunBB

shedrock · 2008-06-18 01:55:03

Sorry if this was discussed before but I am really confused.

What is the difference between punBB and FluxBB? They both look identical and from what I read on the punbb site, it would appear that even the same markup and code is being used. Maybe I am just weird, but shouldn't punBB or fluxbb at least use a different theme altogether? It is asinine in my opinion to say the least to have both look the same, or is Flux going to have a completely new theme look on final release.

Don't slam me please, I am just stating my personal opinion and I am not trying to stir up any issues here.

Cheers!
Shedrock

MattF · 2008-06-18 02:43:39

shedrock wrote:

What is the difference between punBB and FluxBB? They both look identical and from what I read on the punbb site, it would appear that even the same markup and code is being used.

Must admit, I've spent most of the day wondering if the Pun chaps have just thought sod it and renamed Flux to Pun. Only thing which makes me think not is the fact that I never saw Flux mentioned in any of the copyrights I had a peek at. (To see if they had done that). So personally, I've no idea.

shedrock · 2008-06-18 02:45:05

Well, I compared just one file so far and that was index.php and they are identical, so maybe there are others as well. Maybe the dev team can enlighten us.

Paul · 2008-06-18 02:47:03

Your first thought appears to be correct. I am sure the missing copyright is an oversight which will be corrected when it is pointed out to them.

Smartys · 2008-06-18 03:37:41

Paul's comment was directed at Matt, btw.

As to your question, shedrock, a very brief explanation.

FluxBB was formed by the core developers of PunBB in an attempt "to exert more control over the direction of the project" (to quote our About page). As the About page explains, PunBB had been bought by a commercial entity the year before and, after Rickard left, we felt the need to fork. We have kept developing ever since and are working hard to get what should be the last beta out.

Since we left, PunBB's stated aim has been (apparently) "fruitful cooperation with FluxBB community in further development of the core functionality so that to provide growth and compatibility of extensions by means of sharing the code." (I'm quoting Anatoly here). That "sharing" has amounted to, as far as I can tell, a "release candidate" heavily based on our work with the words "FluxBB" and "fluxbb.org" replaced with "PunBB" and "punbb.informer.com", respectively (and an extension update checking feature). If you look at our Trac setup and ignore Paul's more recent markup commits, you'll see where most of their code comes from.

To be more succinct, PunBB is now based heavily off of FluxBB's codebase. The PunBB specific variable names have been replaced in their release candidate with the more general ones used in FluxBB. The release candidate has been an opportunity for them to being the code base they're using in line with ours. As to what their plans are, you would have to ask them.
FluxBB is being developed by Connor, Paul, Jansson, and I. I can't speak for who is developing PunBB (other than Anatoly) and what they are working on.

As to which one you should be using, that's up to you. Obviously, I'm biased toward FluxBB.

SuperMAG · 2008-06-18 04:19:41

question, is there any other difference between their punbb and the latest dev of fluxbb other then that copywrite stuff. and what did u meant by (and an extension update checking feature)

and i thought they will release it after the markup is done. man i would perfer different styles for the both sites. its too much confusing for new users if they found the both sites at the same time.

and by the way devs of fluxbb, here starts the competition. more people will perfer punbb over fluxbb because they will think that flux are just copying, as they are ahead of you guys. need to boost up a little.

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MattF · 2008-06-18 04:40:50

SuperMAG. It isn't a competition, and they aren't 'ahead'. There is a good reason that FluxBB hasn't even been released as a full Beta yet, and that is because it is not yet ready. To label it a release candidate just to 'keep up', would be sheer lunacy.

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SuperMAG · 2008-06-18 05:16:17

MattF wrote:

SuperMAG. It isn't a competition, and they aren't 'ahead'. There is a good reason that FluxBB hasn't even been released as a full Beta yet, and that is because it is not yet ready. To label it a release candidate just to 'keep up', would be sheer lunacy.

jaaa i know that, just wanted to get people exited.

Meow · 2008-06-18 05:41:39

PunBB is succeeded by FluxBB.

MattF · 2008-06-18 07:55:44

SuperMAG wrote:

jaaa i know that, just wanted to get people exited.

Whoopee. There, do you feel better now?

MattF · 2008-06-18 07:56:19

Meow wrote:

PunBB is succeeded by FluxBB.

No it isn't.

Meow · 2008-06-18 08:07:48

I meant the core.

SuperMAG · 2008-06-18 09:21:02

MattF wrote:

SuperMAG wrote:
jaaa i know that, just wanted to get people exited.
Whoopee. There, do you feel better now?

lol

Vovochka · 2008-06-18 09:43:33

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html
PunBB breaks 5.a because all FluxBB copyrights are removed.

shedrock · 2008-06-18 10:09:28

Well, there is no question that I will stick with FluxBB, especially since you guys have been so great in the past. I still don't get it though. Why share the same code? Isn't that a bit redundant? Then you all may as well stick with PunBB in my opinion, because if every time flux makes changes to its core and PunBB follows we essentially end up with the same forum script but with different names.

I always thought that the whole idea of forking is to be different from the original core. In FluxBB's case this is quite obvious, but punBB needs to be unique, and I say this because punBB is well known and if they were to adapt the same look, feel and functionality as FuxBB, then the masses will stick with punBB because of its good name which leaves you guys hanging in the balance.

Did I make any sense here?

Shedrock

demetris · 2008-06-18 10:26:17

Vovochka wrote:

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html
PunBB breaks 5.a because all FluxBB copyrights are removed.

This link is to GPLv3. In GPLv2 (the one FluxBB is published under) I think that the relevant sections are 1 and 2:

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.html

Anatoly · 2008-06-18 10:28:28

shedrock wrote:

They both look identical and from what I read on the punbb site, it would appear that even the same markup and code is being used. Maybe I am just weird, but shouldn't punBB or fluxbb at least use a different theme altogether?

Thanks for the point, but you'd better write this directly at our forum.

Paul wrote:

Your first thought appears to be correct. I am sure the missing copyright is an oversight which will be corrected when it is pointed out to them.

You seem to be right. Forwarded this to my boss.

Thanks to Smartys for detailed comment.
I should add, that we will go different ways from now, but will still try to keep forums as compatible as possible.

Anatoly · 2008-06-18 11:51:08

Anatoly wrote:

Paul wrote:
I am sure the missing copyright is an oversight which will be corrected when it is pointed out to them.
You seem to be right. Forwarded this to my boss.

http://punbb.informer.com/forums/viewto … 17#p115617

Ledo · 2008-06-18 12:35:28

shedrock wrote:

Well, there is no question that I will stick with FluxBB, especially since you guys have been so great in the past. I still don't get it though. Why share the same code? Isn't that a bit redundant? Then you all may as well stick with PunBB in my opinion, because if every time flux makes changes to its core and PunBB follows we essentially end up with the same forum script but with different names.
I always thought that the whole idea of forking is to be different from the original core. In FluxBB's case this is quite obvious, but punBB needs to be unique, and I say this because punBB is well known and if they were to adapt the same look, feel and functionality as FuxBB, then the masses will stick with punBB because of its good name which leaves you guys hanging in the balance.
Did I make any sense here?
Shedrock

You make sense but you should post these to PunBB as a question not to FluxBB.

Meow · 2008-06-18 12:45:15

Do you ask him be banned in PunBB forum?

shedrock · 2008-06-18 17:28:16

@Ledo - Why? It is certainly obvious that they would read it. Why does it matter where it is posted. It does involve punBB and fluxBB.

Paul · 2008-06-18 17:49:20

shedrock wrote:

...punBB is well known and if they were to adapt the same look, feel and functionality as FuxBB, then the masses will stick with punBB because of its good name which leaves you guys hanging in the balance.
Did I make any sense here?
Shedrock

Except a project it about more than code. Its about support issues being dealt with by the people who actually wrote the software. Its particularly about having a knowledgeable community who can contribute to the project and offer support and advice to new users. If FluxBB is to succeed it won't just be down to the software, it will be down to everything else that goes on around it.

MattF · 2008-06-18 18:34:57

Paul wrote:

If FluxBB is to succeed it won't just be down to the software, it will be down to everything else that goes on around it.

And this is especially true of the forum community here and the support one can receive. In that specific regard, there is only one obvious choice.

StevenBullen · 2008-06-23 10:48:26

Im hoping this Flux/Pun issue will sort its self before the final release of 1.3.

Its starting to become a joke.

Smartys · 2008-06-23 10:56:13

StevenBullen wrote:

Im hoping this Flux/Pun issue will sort its self before the final release of 1.3.
Its starting to become a joke.

Well, if you have any suggestions, let us know.

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