one admin necessary to run a forum

SuperMAG · 2008-06-17 23:24:40

ok here is the thing.

1- when you merge you forum to fluxbb, user groups will not recognise that you are admin and no admin will left in a forum.
2- when other admin betray you and make you normal user.
3- when you accedently delete you self or make your self a normal users.

so all it means that one administrator is necessary to run a forum.
so it came to me using include/essentials.php

why not make it as an options like in mybb sittings page. a line for the main administrator.
like main administrator of forum userid= 2 -------------> that is user id which is shown in profile.

isnt that a good one ... lol

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another one,
also make a documentation about features that are essentials.php file like enebling debug mod or disibling all extensions etc so people dont always ask that if they have problem with it.

Last edited by SuperMAG (2008-06-17 23:30:10)

liquidat0r · 2008-06-17 23:27:09

I have no idea what your first point is about.

SuperMAG · 2008-06-17 23:28:50

man .................
can some one please post a good english meaning of my post ...

i cant think of any other thing.

Smartys · 2008-06-17 23:29:08

SuperMAG wrote:

1- when you merge you forum to fluxbb the user groups will no recognise that you are admin and no admin will left.

Uh, no. If you're talking about converting, that shouldn't happen: a conversion should set up administrators properly. And if it doesn't now (which is certainly possible for some forum softwares), it will for the updated 1.3 converter

SuperMAG wrote:

2- when other admin bitray you and make you normal user.

Well, you shouldn't be making someone an admin if you don't trust them not to do that.

SuperMAG wrote:

3- when you accedently delete you self or make your self a normal users.

That has been physically impossible for several versions now.

SuperMAG wrote:

so all it means that one administrator is necessary to run a forum.
so it came to me using include/essentials.php
why not make it as an options like in mybb sittings page. a line for the main adminstrator.
like main administrator of forum userid= 2 -------------> that is user id which is shown in profile.

Well, such a feature would go in config.php. However, I think it's more suited to an extension (where a "super admin" can not have his/her status removed by other admins).
The only case you presented that poses a problem is "rogue admin," in which case

You have bigger problems than just getting your admin status back
One update statement is all it takes to give you admin status back

SuperMAG wrote:

also make a documentation about features that are essentials.php file like enebling debug mod or disibling all extensions etc so people dont always ask that if they have problem with it.

Take a look at the wiki, it's there. Although in config.php, not include/essentials.php.

SuperMAG · 2008-06-17 23:34:55

aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh man. extension again. ok tell me

Well, you shouldn't be making someone an admin if you don't trust them not to do that.

what if you need and and its just happens. what will you do.

that feature is NECESSARY. and it does belong to essentials place because other features like that are there so why do u want it in config.

and it dosent make any admin bigger then other admin. like you said super admin.

think a little bit about that situation ok. i will await your reply.

Smartys · 2008-06-17 23:37:11

SuperMAG wrote:

what if you need and and its just happens. what will you do.

You don't admin someone because you "need" to. Period.

SuperMAG wrote:

that feature is NECESSARY. and it does belong to essentials place because other features like that are there so why do u want it in config.

Because it would be something you would edit. Things you edit are not in the core for 1.3.

And I still don't see why this is better suited to the core than an extension. If you feel the need to give random people administrator access, then you need this feature. If you don't, you're relatively safe from problems. And even if you do, "fixing" it takes one SQL command.

SuperMAG · 2008-06-18 00:09:36

Smartys wrote:

SuperMAG wrote:
what if you need and and its just happens. what will you do.
You don't admin someone because you "need" to. Period.
SuperMAG wrote:
that feature is NECESSARY. and it does belong to essentials place because other features like that are there so why do u want it in config.
Because it would be something you would edit. Things you edit are not in the core for 1.3.

thats an essentials file. you need to edit it when you want to eneble debuge mode. or disible other stuff. it can only be used when you need it.

Smartys wrote:

And I still don't see why this is better suited to the core than an extension. If you feel the need to give random people administrator access, then you need this feature. If you don't, you're relatively safe from problems. And even if you do, "fixing" it takes one SQL command.

its not only random people adminstrators problem. there are more seniros in life. if you check the mybb forum. and use search about that, you will find 18 pages about having that problem. i found out that my self when converting from one software to another. and i know it need one SQL command. but that will make it complicated for new users who dont know stuffs. thats why i suggested to be in essentials. s

Smartys · 2008-06-18 00:19:49

thats an essentials file. you need to edit it when you want to eneble debuge mode. or disible other stuff. it can only be used when you need it.

We moved that stuff out of there explicitly because you should not be editing it.

its not only random people adminstrators problem. there are more seniros in life. if you check the mybb forum. and use search about that, you will find 18 pages about having that problem.

You presented three scenarios. I pointed out that only one (untrusted person as administrator) is relevant. I don't care what problems other forum software has.

and i know it need one SQL command. but that will make it complicated for new users who dont know stuffs.

We're trying to encourage this behavior now?
By making it easier/simpler to recover from an issue like this, we make people more likely to take risks. Rather than seeing the potential dangers of giving administrative access, people write it off: after all, how much damage can they REALLY cause?
The answer is a lot

MattF · 2008-06-18 00:30:53

You should never 'need' to give anyone admin priviledges. Simple fact. If you do and they screw you, you have only yourself to blame. And seeing as you have access to the db, it is fairly moot. But, personally, over my dead body would anyone other than I get admin privs. There is neither need nor reason. Moderators have enough power to do all that is generally required.

SuperMAG · 2008-06-18 00:43:20

ok no problem, since its not my problem because i can do a query whenever i am in trouble.

MattF wrote:

You should never 'need' to give anyone admin priviledges. Simple fact. If you do and they screw you, you have only yourself to blame. And seeing as you have access to the db, it is fairly moot. But, personally, over my dead body would anyone other than I get admin privs. There is neither need nor reason. Moderators have enough power to do all that is generally required.

as you said no people give admin privs to other for stupid reason. what if you need some stuff.

like a custom pages extension. you need to make other mods to use that.
or other stuff. there will be millions of extensions that may be need to be active for mods too.

this gives me another idea. there should be an option for extensions whether be used by mods or not.

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MattF · 2008-06-18 02:39:46

SuperMAG wrote:

like a custom pages extension. you need to make other mods to use that. or other stuff. there will be millions of extensions that may be need to be active for mods too.

Nope. Still not plausible.

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