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#51 Re: Announcements » The future of FluxBB » 2009-01-14 00:00:45

Connor

We've had problems with the extension system for a long time, the problem is we had no easy way to fix it, and a release was always just about to happen, obviously when we forked to create FluxBB we didn't want to just start again, even though that may have been the best thing to do.

The problem is it was planned to allow admins to add a couple of features, and became a system to add any feature, which is very messy with the way we have markup and code mixed together.

#52 Re: Core development » Code documentation » 2009-01-13 21:02:05

Connor

I wouldn't bother with 1.4, I think we want to minimise changes as much as possible.

#53 Re: FluxBB discussion » fluxbb.org/lang/ ? » 2009-01-13 12:07:24

Connor

Also, just to note, we will let you know when the site is ready to translate, it currently isn't but we're working on it.

#54 Re: FluxBB discussion » fluxbb.org/lang/ ? » 2009-01-13 07:57:16

Connor

I wasn't telling you what was best, I have no idea.

#55 Re: FluxBB discussion » fluxbb.org/lang/ ? » 2009-01-13 07:33:51

Connor

zh and zh-tw? I'm not sure whats the correct ones to use.

#57 Core development » 1.3 » 2009-01-12 22:02:55

Connor
Replies: 3

Ok, I've just branched r718 to http://fluxbb.org/trac/browser/fluxbb/b … 1.3-legacy for us to develop a final 1.3 realise with the hope of tidying up the cosmetic issues with it.

This is where everyone can help, we need all the bug reports checking for issues with r718, tickets creating on trac for any issues, and solutions coded, no one should be using this branch directly on their forums so don't worry about commiting stuff, just go for it smile

#58 Re: Core development » Just a reminder » 2009-01-12 21:57:19

Connor

Yeh, the whole download page needs reworking, don't worry about it too much until we've sorted out 1.4

#59 Re: Core development » Trac error? » 2009-01-12 21:35:55

Connor

Does it see that when those are the only changes? I wouldn't worry about it as long as the files in SVN are correct.

#60 Re: Core development » Just a reminder » 2009-01-12 21:31:16

Connor

btw, the code for the site is probably not as good as the forum code, but it should be wink so if you see bad coding style feel free to correct it.

#61 Re: Announcements » The future of FluxBB » 2009-01-12 06:16:12

Connor

dstroma, I realise it seems like this, but the truth is we haven't been happy with 1.3 for quite a long time, and it seemed ridiculous to keep waiting for the final CSS/Markup when this wasn't going to fix our underlying issues with the code.

Say we did get the final CSS and markup today, we'd probably be a month away from a final release, which we wouldn't be happy with, at that point we either choose to live with it for a few years (probably at the cost of losing some of our best people), or try to replace 1.3 almost straight away. We know as soon as we start developing the next version the previous one will be largely ignored by the community (look at mods for 1.2). So we think in a couple of years time this decision will have been for the best.

#62 Re: FluxBB discussion » Donation » 2009-01-12 00:24:57

Connor

We did plan to start accepting donations once we had made a major release, we haven't discussed this recently though.

#63 Re: Announcements » The future of FluxBB » 2009-01-11 23:17:38

Connor

There aren't new developers for 1.4, Smartys is doing the majority of the work, and you can see the people who have joined the FluxBB Team here its up to them what they work on, some have expressed interest in 2.0 but I'm sure enough people will be contributing to 1.4 to keep it going.

#64 Re: FluxBB discussion » The future of FluxBB » 2009-01-11 22:20:35

Connor

1.4 will be out very soon though, so you can go from 1.3 to that.

#65 Re: FluxBB discussion » FluxBB 1.4 : url rewriting ? » 2009-01-11 21:46:43

Connor

Probably not, it would require every link in every file changing.

#66 Re: Core development » Patchfile for fluxbb.org/lang/en/index.php » 2009-01-11 20:15:37

Connor

You'll need to upload the patchfile somewhere [code ] affects tabs, looks good though

#67 Re: Announcements » The future of FluxBB » 2009-01-11 19:15:37

Connor
Jérémie wrote:

Aside for the fact you're giving up on people who have been waiting for 3 years or so (most of them who didn't gave up on you, didn't attack you, and several of them trusting you with the fork), here's an idea: choose someone else on the core team as a spokesperson. Verbally assaulting users and contributors won't get the job done.

It wasn't meant to be a verbal assault. The fact is, people on this forum continually complain that PunBB is better, if they feel that is the case, they should use PunBB.

We have also not given up on anyone, we are continuing to develop this project in the way we think is best, this is NOT giving up. Giving up would be releasing 1.3 in a mess and spending the next few years attempting to patch it up badly.

I also want to point out, we are not dropping 1.3 because we don't have the CSS styling, please stop saying that.

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To the people who have made supportive posts, thank you, it is much appreciated.

#68 Re: Announcements » The future of FluxBB » 2009-01-11 07:10:38

Connor

Go use PunBB then, we can't please everyone, we're doing what we think is best, we gave opportunity for discussion, we took comments on board, if you don't like what we're doing, use different software.

#69 Re: Announcements » The future of FluxBB » 2009-01-11 02:58:42

Connor

KeyDog, you miss the point completely, 1.3 is a bit of a mess, the extension system was taken much further than it was originally designed, and the markup needs to be in a template system. We no longer want to release 1.3, we don't think its the best idea for the future, its not a case of we need to iron out the bugs, we feel it is fundamentally flawed, and instead of trying to patch it up, we should fix it properly.

I hope that clarifies it a bit.

#70 Re: Announcements » The future of FluxBB » 2009-01-11 02:43:17

Connor

The decision to not support 1.3 is that 2.0 will completely replace it and 1.4 is available till then, 1.3 is far from finished, probably has many bugs and we do not want it to be used. Supporting it would mean continuing to develop it, which as we have seen over the past 6 months is not going well. The only reason we are making a final release is we don't want to abandon the people currently using a version with obvious issues.

We also have been discussing this openly http://fluxbb.org/forums/topic/2384/the … of-fluxbb/ I personally read and considered every post in that thread, we feel this is the best way forward.

#71 Re: Announcements » The future of FluxBB » 2009-01-10 23:16:04

Connor
vnpenguin wrote:

I'm using 1.3-r718 now. If there is no extension feature in 1.4, I would like to say NO to 1.4 and try stay with 1.3-r718.modified_by_me.

If you read my post I covered that, we will be releasing a version of 1.3 with the obvious issues in 718 fixed, but we won't be recommending people use it or supporting it.

#72 Re: Announcements » The future of FluxBB » 2009-01-10 23:12:26

Connor
Wojnar wrote:

So what is 1.4? Continuing 1.2 with some improvemets? It is like starting again.

This was discussed at length in http://fluxbb.org/forums/topic/2384/the … of-fluxbb/ this is an announcement not discussion.

#73 Re: Announcements » The future of FluxBB » 2009-01-10 23:05:35

Connor
Wojnar wrote:

Deleting extensions system is the most stupid idea, which I ever seen. Step back to old 1.2? OK, but not for me and not for other people. I think extension system was really cool and helpful, like styles. 1.2 is to simple for our times. You think, that all want to make step back, from 1.3 (also) ? So why we upgraded our forums? Just for extensions, new markup and new options.

2.0? When... You said that beta3 will be soon relased and we were waiting for 7 months. So for 2.0 we will wait to 2017? Sorry again not for me.

Internationalisation - again stupid idea. Kill all fluxbb.* forums, and You will stay alone.

I think that You choosed wrong way. PuBB will kill FluxBB by popularity (extension system, more advanced styles, etc. )

We are not deleting the extension system. I'm sure you would like internationalisation if you didn't speak english.

#74 Announcements » The future of FluxBB » 2009-01-10 22:00:37

Connor
Replies: 196

After the considerable discussion of the future of FluxBB we want to make this announcement to confirm what will happen over the coming months and the longer term plan for the future. I am going to break this up into the plans for the different versions of FluxBB.

Version 1.2/1.4

Smartys has already been working on an upgrade to 1.2, he has kindly offered to contribute his efforts to FluxBB, and we will be releasing this code as a 1.4 beta. We then intend to release a 1.4 final version soon after when we are satisfied any major issues have been resolved. The following points were the most discussed so we want to make them clear:

  • There will be the option to upgrade from versions 1.2 and 1.3 to 1.4

  • There will be no extensions system for 1.4

  • Modifications for 1.2 may be compatitible for 1.4 but some may need to be updated

  • There will be little visual change from 1.2 to 1.4, styles for 1.2 should work with 1.4

Version 1.3

We will not be continuing to directly develop version 1.3 (I will discuss 2.0 in a moment), however we will be releasing a final version, which will probably be revision 718 which many people are currently using, but with any minor markup issues fixed. We do not intend to support this release, and it is not intended for people to start using now, but we don't want to abandon people currently running 1.3 with many of their own extensions. We will recommend people using 1.3 currently move to 1.4 when it is released, but at the same time we know not everyone will.

Version 2.0

This is the next major version of FluxBB and what we are most excited about, it will be similar to 1.3 but will include a way of creating per-style templates, isolation of markup and code, as well as other features we have yet to discuss in detail. We want the development of this to go better than 1.3 did, and as such we are first going to plan exactly what we want from 2.0, and we will then develop it. There are currently no definite decisions for 2.0 and we will be discussing them. We will make further announcements as and when decisions are made.

Other annoucements

As well as the future of the different branches we have some other important plans.

Internationalisation

Once 1.4 has been released we will be supporting internationalisation of this site, this will mean the homepage, about, and downloads pages will have localised versions, the wiki already supports this, and for languages that wish there will be localised forums moderated by volunteers who speak that language. There will be more on this once 1.4 is out.

Modifications, styles and other resources

Up until now we have left the hosting of resources for FluxBB 1.2 up to punres.org, with the release of 1.4 we feel we should do more, this means we will be changing the extension repository we had planned to support hosting of mods for 1.x, as well as styles and eventually extensions for 2.x. We hope to have this system up at least in a basic form shortly in order to be available for the release of 1.4.

The FluxBB Team

Perhaps the most immediately interesting announcement is that we wish to involve more people directly with the development of FluxBB. There are many jobs that need done and the more people involved the better and faster we feel we can get them done. This team will be largely self-appointed, how it will work is anyone who wishes to get involved simply needs to drop me an email. We expected some evidence that you would be good to have on the team, which could be that you've been active on these forums, or just a link to your site, etc. We will then add you to a usergroup on this forum, and you will be able to talk in a private forum.

The plan is to break up the jobs that need done as much as possible on trac, and to allow anyone on the team to take any of the tasks, once someone accepts a task it will be expected that they complete it in a reasonable time frame and to a reasonable quality. No one will be forced to take tasks though, it will simply be contribute when you can. We also would expect people in the team to post on the forum and be generally helpful. In the future we may also have jobs such as auditing modifications and extensions for code quality. We also plan to create a todo list for the wiki and hope people will contribute to that.

If you feel you can contribute in any way please feel free to send me a quick email. We need experience in any (and all) of php, mysql, postgresql, sqlite, css, xhtml, javascript, or anything else you feel could help, we also need people to write documentation and otherwise look after the wiki. We would also like to hear from you if you feel you could contribute but for some reason we aren't giving you the opportunity you require.



We hope you are as excited about the future of FluxBB as we are, we know some of these announcements will cause problems for people, but we feel this will give us the strongest future, and in the long run be best for everyone.

#75 Re: FluxBB discussion » The future of FluxBB » 2009-01-08 21:45:21

Connor
MathsIsFun wrote:

I also have nearly all my mods as extensions ready for 1.3. So that was for nothing?

And I face a difficult upgrade to 1.4 as well, without benefit of extensions sad

But the reward will be a new improved extension system for 2.0 (but incompatible with 1.3 extensions)

Is that how the plan will affect me?

Considering we have yet to finalise the markup and review the hooks for 1.3 anyway, that hardly works. I am not sure why you face a difficult upgrade.

We haven't decided exactly what will change for 2.0, that is the point of taking the time to plan it and do it properly.

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