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#51 Re: Core development » FluxBB with certain mods shipped installed » 2010-08-09 00:55:06

hcgtv
Franz wrote:

The downside: One has to install / learn Git.

I've been meaning to install and learn Git, since more and more projects are using it and I like the idea that more developers can jump in and play with their own code base.

Lenny backports has a rather recent Git release, 1.7.1, since 1.7.2 seems to be the latest stable release.

Franz wrote:

Would that road be worth walking on? What do you think?

I'm for being able to grab a modded forum, and using that to update all my installed instances. If you think using Git would be the way to go, then yeah I'm for it.

Edit: Just had a caveat, some forums have official plugins, mods what have you. This is due to the fact that certain mods are somewhat crucial, and waiting for the mod maintainer to update them whenever a new release comes out, can be a drag on the new release. These official plugins/mods are maintained by the core team, this insures that everything runs smoother on a new release.

#52 Core development » FluxBB with certain mods shipped installed » 2010-08-09 00:02:48

hcgtv
Replies: 28

All the talk of late has been about direction, don't quite know if anything has been decided yet. As I mentioned in this post, one of the biggest issues facing forum admins is bots signing up and spam.

Since mods exist, and if the direction is to incrementally update FluxBB, could certain mods make it into the shipping package?

Right now I'm running 1 FluxBB forum, but plan on launching at least 3 more forums. With the amount of sites I maintain, having to keep them modded and updating them whenever a security or a new stable release is launched doesn't appeal to me. I know that with diffs it's not such a daunting task, but the time involved of doing a local install and testing an upgrade prior to a live update, is time I could spend doing something else.

I've been playing with 1.4.1 locally, I like the new Air theme and all the nice additions to the core. I'm perfectly fine with core and a means to tackle signups and spam, of which the Akismet mod has been working fine, any other option would be ok with me, like ReCaptcha.

On PHPXref, many years ago, I started noticing more hits on PunBB related files, of which I informed Rickard. It was good and bad news I later learned, while more users were looking at the Xref, there apparently were more bots targeting the htmlized files.

Today, you can't put up a PunBB/FluxBB forum without having the bots come a-calling in short order. On the forums at PHPXref, I had over 70,000 signups, the majority were bots. These bots end up generating uneeded traffic, not to mention the weekly visit to my webhost via PuTTY to launch mutt to clean up the mail store of bounced messages.

At one time, PunBB was under the radar, where we could install a forum and not have to deal with it much. Today, it's another story, and an otherwise clean and simple procedure, of which I would imagine all the devs are proud of, has a small blemish.

I truly feel if FluxBB is launched with anti measures, all this bot traffic would eventually subside and script kiddies will be somewhat subdued. They won't give up entirely, since their scripts are dumb, just make a post on one of your blogs and call it, User Forums, then watch your logs fill up.

Another option is to ship a clean core and a modded one also, eventually downloads would dictate what users prefer, dictating future releases.

Anyway, just wanted to know your thoughts.

#53 Re: General discussion » Which blog CMS to integrate FluxBB? » 2010-08-06 15:02:43

hcgtv
littlebigman wrote:

The major CMS's (WordPress, Joomla, Drupal, etc.) seem very heavy and have way more features than what I need.

The lightweights to consider are:
sNews
Textpattern

And yes, we've been down this road before.

#54 Re: Core development » Interesting... » 2010-08-06 14:52:54

hcgtv

It wasn't a lot of money. Well, it was for me. It wasn't a million dollar acquisition, but certainly more than most of the population will earn in a couple of years. A low six figure sale. For something merely making "a living" and keeping me up all hours of the night, I think it was a good deal. It turned into some healthy savings, a wedding, a car, and a chunk of the house we live in now, so I can't complain.

SoftDeluxe had money to invest, that's obvious. Whether their investments were sound, given their background in shareware, where they had little to no face time with their audience, is a question only Google Analytics can answer.

#55 Re: Programming » Interesting talk by Rasmus Lerdorf - PHP Performance » 2010-08-03 21:26:10

hcgtv
Reines wrote:

Well that adds in network latency and the might be off because of the adverts they serve. Plus I doubt they'd be too happy about what basically amounts to a dos attack.

I think it's more real world than testing off a localhost environment.

As for the adverts, use this link: http://demo.opensourcecms.com/fluxbb/

Just to do a quick test, I don't think Scott is going to mind. Just don't be running a test when the databases are being refreshed.

By the way, I've run these kinds of tests in the past but you have to tweak each forum to get the most out of them. Take the case of Phorum, where their caching system can be either file, memcached or APC based.

Nonetheless, it's a good internal test to see how well your software runs against someone else's but I wouldn't put up a bragging page unless you've tweaked the other apps.

By the way, Textpattern kicks Wordpress's butt wink

#56 Re: Programming » Interesting talk by Rasmus Lerdorf - PHP Performance » 2010-08-03 20:42:01

hcgtv

For a quick test, you could just hit the opensourcecms.com servers, no need to install each and every forum on your machine.

http://www.opensourcecms.com/demo/1/324/FluxBB

#57 Re: Announcements » FluxBB direction - incremental vs major » 2010-07-26 05:04:55

hcgtv

Incremental vs Major, that is the question.

Let me share what I've gathered over the years from following the support forums for six years, and from PunBB forum admins that I've personally contacted.

1. What do we really need?
a. Better search.
b. Stopping bot registrations.
c. Spam prevention.

2. What would we like to see?
a. Sub-forums.
b. Custom user fields.
c. Separation of template and core code.

Pretty short list, not much to ask for. That means that from an admin point of view, the current code base is fine, with just 3 bullet points that desperately need addressing and 3 more that would be cool to have.

There are plenty of other forum apps freely available for one and all to download and install. It's not like FluxBB is the only game in town. Should you require more bells and whistles, then Flux is not for you, and from the start it was never Rickard's intention to address everyone's desires.

What drove me to PunBB was not the features, but lack there of. With less code bloat comes speed, less points of failure and more security. I want to install a web app and not have to worry about it, just administer it.

On the what do we really need points, there are mods available for 1a, 1b and an Akismet mod for 1c that I've been using successfully. But they are mods, makes updating a forum to a new release something you leave for when it's raining outside and you have nothing better to do.

On the what would we like to see, code for 2a was floating around when work was being done on 1.3, don't quite remember who has it. 2b is a nice feature should Flux be used as a tie-in to a CMS, all registrations could be handled by Flux, letting the admin designate what information he/she wants from their users. That leaves 2c, the big enchilada, the one nobody wants to go near. It's the biggest reason, I feel, that forums end up getting modded.

So did I answer the question, Incremental vs Major?

No, I don't think the community can give the devs the answer to that question. You see we're the end users, we look at FluxBB from an operational point of view, we're not knee deep in the code, wishing that that algorithm over there was better written or thinking should the admin side code be re-factored to accommodate Ajaxing.

Whatever you, the current devs, decide to do, well that's really up to you, it's your free time after all. But as you contemplate your next move, step away from the code, be a user.

#58 Re: Show off » FluxBB at PHPXref » 2010-07-24 18:40:41

hcgtv

Congrats to all the developers for getting 1.4 out the door.

Here's the Xref of FluxBB 1.4, will wait till 1.4.2 comes out to update it.

One note, it would look better if there was some documentation as to what the php file in question does, instead of a copyright notice.

#59 Re: General support (1.4) » Tickets left for 1.4 final release » 2009-09-20 14:17:25

hcgtv
FSX wrote:

Does that thing really work? I just made that one, because someone said it would work. tongue

Spoke too soon, I woke up this morning to quite a number of registrations. It may have slowed things down for a day, but I believe spammers read Punres also.

IMHO, there's has to be an easy way for admins to turn on/off anti-spam/anti-bot measures.

Ignore the bots, and they will eat your project.

#60 Re: General support (1.4) » Tickets left for 1.4 final release » 2009-09-20 07:04:52

hcgtv
hcgtv wrote:

Then I'll have to use this mod from a trusted user wink

FSX, I applied the above mod to one of my forums, I got tired of all the &^%$#*& registrations.

One thing to keep in mind, if this becomes an official mod, is that if you have Rules enabled, then it fails to allow a registration.

I disabled Rules and it's working really well, thanks.

#61 Re: General support (1.4) » fluxbb 1.4 bbcode and new parser » 2009-09-10 21:22:44

hcgtv
Paul wrote:

The bottom line is and always has been that whether a feature is good, bad, essential or pointless is largely in the eye of the beholder. For example I would choose to scrap jump menu, board description, user ranks, signatures and several other things that many users would consider a necessity.

One person's junk is another person's treasure wink

I've never used the jump menu, in all the time I've used Pun. User ranks is another feature I leave alone, but board description and signatures I do use quite often.

Not to deviate this thread, but since we're talking about BBCode, I'd like to see an option one day where we could have a toolbar to assist us in creating posts. I'm very familiar with BBCode but there are days that I wish I could just highlight text and press a button. Yes, there are many mods out there but having something ship with the core, would not be a bad thing in my opinion. Of all the BBCode toolbars I've used on forums, the one in Phorum feels right.

#62 Re: FluxBB discussion » Spam blocking for FluxBB 1.4 » 2009-09-10 00:02:57

hcgtv
mattT09 wrote:

if Flux 1.4 is close to release, how about an effective Spam blocker for it?

FSX is planning on releasing some spam mods for 1.4.

And I agree, we should stop them at the gates.

#63 Re: General discussion » Spam at PunBB.org forums » 2009-09-08 14:24:13

hcgtv
StevenBullen wrote:

I don't think they liked me telling the truth here... I just rcvd this PM and had my moderator status removed lol.

Hey, if they can't take constructive criticism, then it's their loss. Before the sale of PunBB, I was a moderator also, but I asked to be removed from my duties.

#64 Re: General discussion » Spam at PunBB.org forums » 2009-09-07 04:44:10

hcgtv

Here's an excellent example of what I mean:

punbb_spam_posts.jpg

7 news posts, only one is legit. It was almost midnight on the east coast of the United States.

They say that after 11:00 pm is the busiest time on the web, yet the lights are out at PunBB.org.

#65 Re: General discussion » Spam at PunBB.org forums » 2009-09-07 00:58:23

hcgtv
StevenBullen wrote:

Anyway that's all history.

People get involved with Open Source for various reasons, as an education, to make their resumes look better, or to do something with their time. Most communities are made up of really young people and older individuals. The young find girlfriends, or get bored with what they're doing, while the old scratch their heads wondering what happened.

Personally, I wanted to see PunBB succeed just for the thrill of it. Money never entered my mind, cause if money was my aim, I wouldn't be helping out projects, I'd be launching porn sites.

#66 Re: General discussion » Spam at PunBB.org forums » 2009-09-06 19:42:05

hcgtv
StevenBullen wrote:

Maybe one day they will figure out that business model approach does not work AT ALL on open source model!

I've alluded to this in the past, on this forum and over at the PunBB forums, obviously the Informer crew doesn't seem to really care.

#67 General discussion » Spam at PunBB.org forums » 2009-09-06 18:14:21

hcgtv
Replies: 15

In Firefox, I have all the forums I follow as bookmarks and use Open all in tabs a number of times a day, makes it real easy to see what's happening.

For the longest time, the PunBB.org forums have like 50% spam on a daily basis. Old threads dug up by some spammer to inject links via his/her comment or via their signatures. What troubles me is that these posts hang around for a while, like nobody is paying attention at certain times during the day. You would think that they would have moderators on a rotating basis to cover a 24 hour span, but it appears that's not the case.

Once I make the switch to FluxBB 1.4, I'll remove the link to PunBB from my bookmarks, it's getting a bit painful to visit them.

#68 Re: General support (1.2) » using extern.php on extern page » 2009-09-05 15:53:27

hcgtv

Nowadays, for security reasons, web servers are locking down. I don't recall when including extern.php started to give me errors, but tech support suggested using curl.

This is what I do at PHPXref to grab the latest updates from a PunBB forum:

$curl_handle=curl_init();
curl_setopt($curl_handle,CURLOPT_URL,'http://phpxref.net/extern.php?action=new&show=10&fid=5');
curl_exec($curl_handle);
curl_close($curl_handle);

#69 Re: General support (1.2) » auto topic subscription? » 2009-09-02 14:08:35

hcgtv
Reines wrote:

We currently have discussions going on in the dev board about what theme 1.4 should use by default smile

My $.02 would be to ship 1.4 with a new default theme, the work that went into 1.3's look and feel can be brought over. Just pick another element, like Titanium, Helium or Hydrogen. Heck, we can have a contest to pick the new name, the winner receives a free copy of FluxBB 1.4 wink

#70 Re: General discussion » Bot activity? » 2009-09-01 05:06:09

hcgtv

Nice rant, sadly it's getting worse by the day.

Bot/Spider traffic, according to AWStats, accounts for 57% of my bandwidth. 57% of what AWStats believes are non-humans, if another percentage of human traffic are also bots/spiders, because they haven't made it into robots.pm or they're masking themselves as browsers, then I could be looking at close to 70% of cron jobs and rss readers hitting my web server.

#71 Re: General discussion » Bot activity? » 2009-08-31 15:20:36

hcgtv
FSX wrote:

I'm planning to make/update some mods and old mods for 1.4 like Akismet.

Oh, how I hate bots!

Yesterday, I had 113 signups on one of my forums, this kind of activity has been the norm for some time now. I was going to apply one of your mods but I'm going to wait to see what you have to offer for 1.4.

#72 Re: Announcements » FluxBB-1.2.22 released » 2009-08-31 14:45:45

hcgtv

Thanks Reines for making us aware of the vulnerability.

I went ahead and made the changes to admin_prune.php on my PunBB 1.2.21 boards. I'm waiting on FluxBB 1.4 to make the switch over, since I have a number of mods applied.

#73 Re: General support (1.4) » Tickets left for 1.4 final release » 2009-08-30 19:17:27

hcgtv
FSX wrote:

I think bots can do that too. smile

Then I'll have to use this mod from a trusted user wink

#74 Re: General support (1.4) » Tickets left for 1.4 final release » 2009-08-30 18:56:51

hcgtv

Yeah, I guess they'll continue hitting all boards but some of the ones hitting mine seem to be real people, cause they sign on and update their profile with their link of choice and upload an avatar.

Having more users is ok, it's the freaking amount of mail that goes out on a daily basis, but I do like the avatar collection I'm building.

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#75 Re: General support (1.4) » Tickets left for 1.4 final release » 2009-08-30 16:10:03

hcgtv

Seeing progress being made, almost there.

One of the features i like in 1.4 is the ability to designate what groups can see the User List, it happens to be the favorite pastime of spammers these days, signing up and then going into their profile and adding a link to their porn, dating or fill_in_the_blank site of choice.

A while back I applied Smarty's mod, but they continue signing up, hopefully when my forums switch to FluxBB, they'll go away for good.

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